In this week’s episode of The Sober Butterfly Podcast, Nadine Mulvina sits down with Ashley Johnson (@dj_alist),  the CEO/Founder of Wine Not, a Black-owned nonalcoholic sparkling wine that allows you to indulge in social and celebratory moments, without sacrificing taste. Wine Not explores unique flavors and ingredients to create an inclusive, yet euphoric, social experience for everyone.

Both ladies explore what it’s like to navigate social situations in sobriety, how to forgive people who may not have supported your sobriety, growing up with an alcoholic parent, the differences between sobriety and recovery,  sober dating and being one of the few black in professional settings.

Be sure to follow @winenotlive to be the first to know when it launches. Wine Not will be available for purchase April 2023,

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